FB/FB Admin and Rick Dyer Make More Public Statements Regarding Tent Video

 This morning I sent a list of questions to an Admin over at FB/FB regarding the tent video. The Admin was kind enough to answer those questions. The answers may or may not clear up a few issues and may bring up more questions. FB/FB's stance seems to be that this video is most likely real. I also spoke to Rick Dyer on the phone and through Facebook messages last night. Rick will not publicly state that he was involved in this video. He did offer me the following challange of sorts:

Video Still ShootingSasquatch

"I will walk away from Bigfoot give you my website if I'm ever near any hoaxes"
Rick Dyer 

I told Rick I accept that Challenge and offered him one of my own. If he can prove, with out a doubt, scientifically, any of his present or future Bigfoot evidence, then I will also walk away and turn over my blog to him.

 The questions I sent to FB/FB and their answers are as follows:

SasquatchScoop 
Who contacted who first? Was the Tent video brought to your attention or did you just happen to find it?
FB/FB 
Happened to find it we do a YT search every day for various terms. Saw it the day after it was posted.

SasquatchScoop 
Do you know the real names of those involved? I am not asking for the names just if you know them
FB/FB
No, just an incredible mass of speculation

SasquatchScoop
 If it turns out Rick Dyer is behind this what will be FB/FB's stance?
FB/FB
 Well we know it is not CGI, there is a screen between the filmer and the subject so it would have to be an elaborate suit.

It also could be real, there are ten members of the tracking group and they were filming as Kulls surmised. We now know it was filmed on. 9/6 and Dyer was kicked out/resigned on the tenth. It was posted I the 13th.

We are fairly sure the YT poster had no idea what was on the video when he posted it to YT.

SasquatchScoop 
Was FB/FB involved in this before the video was uploaded to YouTube?

FB/FB
 Absolutely no involvement, we actually would have avoided it if we had known. We made our decision based upon the head being set foreward on the body. This is a trait seen in archaic human like Homo Heidelbergensis. Other traits match Patty and the Freeman film.

Lastly, we have never spoken to Dyer, we have no idea who the poster who we have been talking to is. I will say he/she adamantly and emotionally denies any hoax.
That's about all I have for now, thanks for taking the time to consider my questions.




I asked one more follow up question:
SasquatchScoop
So you are pretty much confirming that Dyer was involved at some point? Also, can I use these statements publicly?
FB/FB
Nothing we have confirms Dyer, but possibly a member Dyer's group.

Rick Dyer Redirects Domain Names

Earlier this evening I spoke to Rick Dyer on the phone. He maintains his earlier statement that Bigfoottracker.com are not and will not be involved in hoaxing anything ever. Try as I may I could not get Rick to make any further public statement related to the current Tent Video fiasco.

I figured while I had him on the phone I would ask a few questions about another ongoing saga. Rick recently purchased two domain names related to Team Tazer Bigfoot. TeamTazer.com and TeamTazerBigfoot.com. It was discovered earlier this week that those two domains had been redirected to gay porn sites.

I asked Rick why he would do such a thing and he told me he did not do it. He stated that he had turned the passwords over to a member of Team Tazer but couldn't remember off hand who. I asked him if he still had control of the domains and he answered that he did. He agreed to redirect them back to TazerBigfoot.com Team Tazer's official page. As of the writing of this article he has redirected one of the sites back to Tazer's official page and the other just goes to a GoDaddy placeholder page.

I also asked Rick why he maintains control of the domains. He said he would turn over control of the domains if, and when, Damian Bravo makes a public apology to him regarding the Tim Fasano outing. It is my understanding that he believes Mr. Bravo accused him of teaming up with Fasano in order to hoax Bravo. He also said that if Bravo does not offer an apology then the domains may be purchased from him. Rick did not offer a selling price.

Breaking News: Rick Dyer responds to alleged Tent Video hoax

Rick Dyer standing in front of his blue and white tent

Rick Dyer has been silent since he was alleged to have been involved in the tent video hoax. Today Rick sent me the following message via Facebook in regards to the alleged hoax.

Ricks Statement:

I'm going to be clear. Bigfoottracker.com will never be involved in any kind of hoaxing whatsoever. We are unable to comment at this time. Thanks...

I have asked Rick for a more in-depth statement and will update when and if that becomes available.

FB/FB public statement concerning tent video

Enhancements by Damian Bravo

 FB/FB Just released a statement about the Tent Video controversy. They also added an enhanced version of the color video. After watching the enhanced version I am convinced it's just a guy wearing sunglasses with a biker style mustache. I see many refutable points in this statement and will be looking into it further. Notice the plug for their book at the end. FB/FB still maintains this is no hoax. Where is Rick Dyer while all of this is going on? According to his Facebook page he is in Las Vegas. 

 The statement is as folows:

Here is our FBFB statement on the "Camper Films Sasquatch with Iphone"
The best loops are at 1:30 of the video.

1. FB/FB is completely independent of the video and had nothing to do with the filming of this video. We simply produced an authentication as we have 60 times before. The firestorm that was created by the Camper video is a direct result of compelling nature of the images. ( A closeup of a human-shaped ape.) We had no idea this was possibly part of an organized effort to film a Sasquatch until after we published the authentication analysis.
2. We still maintain that it completely fits with the morphology of a Sasquatch. Large Nocturnal eyes, Heavy Brow Ridge with a cranial keel sloping backward not upward into a coned head, Hooded Nose, Long upper lip, Incredibly long spineous processes on the spine (leading to thick neck, high shoulders and consistent Auburn coloring and behavior.
3. We have no idea who took the video, although we have received maybe 50 emails, some with very interesting and some with possible confidential information. We now know it was actually filmed on Sept. 6 2012, posted on September 13th we confirmed it on September 14th when it had less than 10 views.
4. As to Steve Kulls, we like him and have appeared on his radio show. He may be correct with the group and location of the video (we don't know) but that does not mean this video is fake or a hoax.
5. The debate over Sasquatch is decades old with sides deeply entrenched. Skeptics refute everything and many researchers want "their" footage or casts or sounds to be the evidence and work against others. We know through personal experience that Sasquatch are real and it is just a matter of time before they are acknowledged.
6. Was it a hoax? Using common sense we believe it is improbable, Why would anyone produce a crappy 29 second video of the most fantastic anatomically correct suit only to film for the last 1.2 seconds... through a tent... sideways.... and then upload it without actually knowing how to even rotate the video.
7. FB/FB's mission is to curate and publish any data on the subject of the Big Fella. On September 10th we were planning on publishing a thermal that is better than this video, but there are co-owners of that video and both have to agree on release. The reason we published this video so soon was because of the frustration over the non-release. Had we any idea the firestorm this video would create.
8. Lastly the explanation of why Sasquatch exist in Florida, Ohio, Minnesota, Ontario and the PNW is far more important than any video. The Patterson Gimlin film should have been all that was necessary, unfortunately it does not fit with the out of africa theory of human development. We have attempted to explain why it is not just possible but there it is essential that there is a human-shaped ape that is strategically smarter throughout the USA. Hence why we published the book "YOU ARE A SASQUATCH" .

Did Rick Dyer Hoax FB/FB?

 As you may know, Facebook Find Bigfoot recently released a video this week with much hype and buildup. The video was in black and white and was filmed from the inside of a tent. The video allegedly showed a Sasquatch next to a tree. Almost immediately it was dismissed by a hoax by many but there were still many believers. Yesterday the original up-loader, ShootingSasquatch uploaded a color version of the same film. This is when it all started coming together.

I arrived home from work yesterday just as the video was being uploaded to Youtube. When I saw it I immediatly thought I knew who was behind it. There is no sound in the video but the text spoke volumes.

It read:

Over four years after the 2008 Sasquatch in a box hoax

Mr Kulls hasn't owned up to his part & deniability

seems to be his protocol. "Along with riding coattails"

What makes a good investigator?

Patience, persistence, integrity,

ethical, honesty and ability to wait for all evidence to present itself!

When I first read that I immediately thought about Rick Dyer. Rick likes to bring up the 2008 hoax. The statement "Along with riding coattails" is what sealed it for me. Who would say that about Steve Kulls? Rick Dyer, that's who.

I remembered that Rick had uploaded a short clip to YouTube. It was from San Antonio and it was him filming from inside his tent. I looked for the video on his channel but it was set too private. I did a Google search and found a screen capture of the video. Lo and behold, a blue and white tent, just like the one in the color version of the tent video. 

I notified a few people about what I had discovered in including Shawn Evidence. Shawn called Steve Kulls and spoke with Carl Olinselot. I was away from the computer for a while but Carl got right on it and was able to put the pictures together. Later in the evening I spoke with Steve Kulls. Steve and I seemed to be pretty comfortable with the evidence.

Although the evidence is largely circumstantial it all seems to add up. Rick announced that he was no longer going to be negative. Right after that statement he announced that he was turning operations over to an unnamed person and that a big announcement was forthcoming. Then suddenly all of Rick's YouTube videos diapered.

Right around the same time the website ShootingSasquatch.com was registered. The black and white version was uploaded. There was mention of a big announcement and press conference. The color version appears yesterday calling out Steve Kulls. 

After all of this came out last night, the color video was removed from YouTube. At the same time most of Rick's videos became public again. The timing of that seems to be odd to say the least.

Is it all a coincidence? I don't think so, but even if Rick was not involved, this video and all the hype is all a big lead-up to something else. A giant hoax? Most likely. A documentary film? Could be. Whatever it is, it is a black eye on FB/FB and those who push this kind of nonsense. 

On another note, Rick had purchased two domain names. TeamTazer.com and TeamTazerBigfoot.com. One of them was a mirror of BigfootTracker.com, Ricks website. The other was a site making fun of Team Tazer. When he announced he was going positive he redirected the sites to TazerBigfoot.com, Team Tazer Bigfoot's official page. Yesterday it was discovered that Rick had redirected both sites to gay porn sites. So much for Rick being positive.

After repeated attempts by myself and others, Rick was unable to be reached for comment regarding this issue. FB/FB has made no public statement as of yet.
Thanks to all those involved in uncovering this hoax. 

 

The color version of the tent video Copyright 2012, ShootingSasquatch.com

Carl Olinselot's photo compilation

 Credit goes to these folks, go check them out.
Team BIG Carl's Facebook group
squatchdetective.com/ Steve Kull's website
 Bigfoot Evidence

An Update From The Polygraph Examiner

 Bigfoot shooter Shooter Justin Smeja's Polygraph Examiner wanted to clear up a couple of questions. Her update is as follows:

I would like to also just let you know that some of the confusion with polygraph examiners is that the public doesn't realize many things regarding the process and most importantly the following:

There is no bureau in the state of California that regulates Polygraph Examiners therefore, there is no actual monitoring of the conduct, practices or conditions that a polygraph will be held under law to follow.This is unfortunate however this also means that there is NO association in California that can legally qualify or deny that an examiner is or isn't  a qualified or "a member in good standing". Please don't take this wrong; I do everything morally and ethically in my business as a trained experienced professional but to clear up the questions regarding the fact that an examiner is only a qualified examiner if a member with an associates is completely not a fact. All these "Associations" consist of are a group of people who collect money from any person they can get to pay for membership and when they join, they then become "a member in good standing".

In addition, there is one main factor that is a must for an examiner and that is that you must be a certified or licensed polygraph examiner to purchase the equipment which proves and verifies to the manufacturer that you have been properly trained to use and operate the instrument.

Such as when a doctor wants to purchase an EKG machine, he must show his/her credentials because an untrained person cannot just go out monitoring heart conditions and giving results without knowing how to use or read the instrument.

Thought this might clarify some confusion!

Respectfully,

Jeanne Hobbs

Justin Smeja Polygraph Examiner Interview

 In my last Article I raised some question as to the validity of Justin Smeja's Polygraph test based on what I discovered about the examiner. Some of my conclusions were wrong some were right. Jeanne Hobbs, the examiner, was kind enough to address the questions I had about Justin's test and her background. I had reported that Jeanne was associated with a Mr. John L. Grogan, Jeanne denies this is the case and has some very strong words about Mr. Grogan. She has provided some links in this interview that I invite you to check out regarding Mr. Grogan. I am removing the original article, it will be replaced with a link to this one. If you have questions about Mr. Grogan please check the links Jeanne provides.

What we got wrong:

We contended that Jeanne had dealings with John L. Grogan. Jeanne denies having any association with Mr. Grogan.

Jeanne does not own NorCalPolygraph.com, however she does own NorCal Polygraph the physical business.

  

What we got right:

We stated that Jeanne was not a member of CAPE ( The California Association Of Polygraph Examiners), she is not a member.

What we are still unsure of:

Jeanne did not say where she recieved her training. Since she says she has no association with John L. Grogan we must assume it was not from his "Polygraph Academy In A Box". or www.polygraphacademy.com.

Below is the Interview with Jeanne. Her answers are in red. The questions and answers have not been changed in any way.

In the Bigfoot Lunch club article by Guy Edwards you stated that there were 40 questions asked but only 17 show on the report, why is that? 

EVERY CHART IS FORMULATED TO HAVE 10 QUESTIONS. 4 ARE KNOW TRUTHS, 2 ARE KNOWN LIES AND 4 ARE RELAVENT QUESTIONS. EACH CHART HAD 4 RELAVANT QUESTIONS. IT TOOK 40 QUESTIONS AND 10 CHARTS TO GET THE 17 QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

Who actually hired you to do the testing, what date did they originally contact you and what date was the test performed?  

RO CONTACTED ME AND I DID THE POLYGRAPH ON SATURDAY

What was your reaction when told that this test was being performed to determine whether or not Justin shot one or more Bigfoot or Bigfoot type creatures? 

 DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHAT THE QUESTIONS MY CLIENT HAS, I JUST GET PAID TO ASK THE QUESTIONS MY CLIENT WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT. I DON'T CARE OR HAVE ANY PERSONAL OPIONION ON THIER MATTER.

What was your impression of Justin before the test? 

 I AM NOT A COUNSELOR, I DON'T DRAW A PERSONAL OPINION....MY INSTRUMENT MEASURE MY SUBJECTS BODY SENSITIVITIES AND THEN ARE SCORED...PERIOD

Industry standards say that questions should be asked no less than 3 times, was this done with Justin? 

YES

Did anyone ask you to make the results "look positive"?  

ABOSOLUTELY NOT...I HAVE NEVER MET THESE PEOPLE IN MY LIFE AND WOULD NEVER COMPRIMISE MYSELF OR MY PROFESSION TO FALSIFY AN EXAM.

You Stated in The Bigfoot Lunch Club interview that you worked for a private investigator before becoming a polygraph examiner. Was that PI Mr. John L Grogan?

NO ABOSOLUTELY NOT! THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT I HAVE TO REPORT ON JOHN GROGAN! ENOUGH SAID AND I DON'T FEEL I NEED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE PERSONALLY EXCEPT THE FACT THAT JOHN GROGAN STOLE MY NAME ALSO, WHEN I OPENED MY BUSINESS JUST AS HE HAS DONE WITH MANY MANY OTHER POLYGRAPH EXAMINERS ACROSS THE NATION. FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING LINKS AND YOU WILL KNOW EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT JOHN L. GROGAN:

www.polygraphplace.com/articles/issue142.htm

http://podcast.971freefm.com/klsx1/956464.mp3

http://podcast.971freefm.com/klsx1/956500.mp3

www.theneonlobster.com/blog/liar-liar-lie-detector

www.ripoffreport.com/.../john...grogan.../john-l-grogan-peoa-polygraph

www.topix.com/forum/nascar/tony.../TP01FEOMA9O7B9SHR

In my research I found a testimonial given by you on a website known as

www.polygraphacademy.com. Your testimonial is as follows:

"If you want to become a trained Polygraph Examiner sooner than all the
students at the distant academies, get the extensive "Polygraph Academy in a Box".

Honestly, I looked into several training programs that were very expensive
and took several months to complete. None had all the coverage I was looking for.
Instead, I went with the PolygraphAcademy.com package-- it was exhaustively
thorough and very detailed. It is the kind of materials that teach you all
that you need to know in order to be a competent examiner, quickly
and completely, without wasting your time in long class sessions where they
spend much of their time on non-essential time-wasting matters.

Is it true that the package commonly referred to as “Polygraph Academy In A Box’ is not a traditional course and carries no accreditation from any of the major governing bodies dealing with polygraph examination? 

 I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT JOHN GROGAN IS UP TO WITH HIS SCAMS & HE USES PEOPLES NAMES TO POST TESTIMONIALS WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION

Isn’t it true that John L. Grogan operates

www.PolygraphAcademy.com as well as many other websites? 

YES HE BUYS DOMAINS THAT RESEMBLE EVERYBODY WHO OPENS A POLYGRAPH BUSINESS

　

Ro Sahebi stated on his pod cast that you were a member of CAPE however you are not listed on the CAPE website an a member in good standing. Why is that?

CAPE CHARGES SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR TO BE A MEMBER OF THEIR "ASSOCIATION" WHICH BRINGS NO PROFIT OR GAIN TO A POLYGRAPH EXAMINER. THEIR IS NO "MEMEBER IN GOOD STANDING" REGULAITON OR CONDITIONAL REASON FOR A POLGRAPH EXAMINER TO PAY MONEY FOR NOTHING IN RETURN. CAPE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR A POLYGRAPH EXAMINER EXCEPT TAKE THEIR MONEY. THEIR ASSOCIATION MEANS NOTHING TO US.

Ro also mentioned that you were a member of PEOA. My research shows that the PEOA was organized by John L. Grogan, is this true? 

 Jeanne did not answer this question

　

Have you had any other verifiable polygraph training? 

 I AM NO LONGER AN MEMBER OF ANY ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THEY DO NOTHING BUT TAKE MONEY FROM MEMEBERS. THEIR ARE NO BENEFITS FOR BEING A MEMEBER OFTHEIR ASSOCIATION. YES JOHN L. GROGAN DOES RUN PEOA AND JUST STEALS MONEY FROM HIS MEMBERS AND IF YOU ARE AN ASSOCIATED MEMEBER YOU HAVE TO PAY JOHN GROGAN $95.00 FOR EVERY POLYGRAPH YOU PERFORM AND PAY IT TO HIM DIRECTLY. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JOHN L. GROGAN. AGAIN PLEASE READ THE LINKS I HAVE ATTACHED. AND AGAIN CAPE IS NOTHING BUT ANOTHER ASSOCIATION THAT JUST TAKE MONEY FROM MEMEBERS AND DOES NOTHING FOR THEM. I AM INDEPENDANT AND DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR RUNNING A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. .

Since CAPE requires you to have gone to an APA (American Polygraph Association) acredited  school, you can not be a member of CAPE, is this true?

 CAPE IS NOTING AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY REQUIRE FOR MEMEBERSHIP EXCEPT THAT THEY CHARGE A LOT OF MONEY TO BE A MEMEBER AND REQUIRE NOTHING EXCEPT MONEY TO JOIN

Do you own or work for NorCal Polygraph?

 YES I OWN NORCAL POLYGRAPH

Isn’t it true that NorCal Polygraph is one of Mr. John L. Grogan’s companies?

 ABSOLUTELY NOT...HE STOLE MY DOMAIN AND THAT WHAT HE DOES WITH ALL POLYGRAPH EXAMINERS ACROSS THE NATION... AGAIN READ THE LINKS!

According to the BBB, Mr. Grogan’s company Gold Star Investigations received an “F” rating. In that report it also lists www.polygraphacademy.com, can you explain this? 

READ THE LINKS I SENT

Also according to the BBB, Companies offering Private Investigator or Private Patrol services are required to be licensed with the Bureau of Security and Investigative Services of the California Department of Consumer Affairs. As of our last verification on October 18, 2007, this company's Bureau of Security and Investigative Services (BSIS) license and firearm permit license were revoked by the Department of Consumer Affairs (DCA) in 2003 due to regulatory actions.

Is the above statement from the BBB true? If True how do you explain this.

 CONTACT THE BUREAU, THIS ISN'T MY COMPANY

Isn’t it true that Mr. Grogan never completed any polygraph examiner course at any accredited school, instead only receiving an “honorary” degree? 

I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JOHN GROGAN AND REFUSE TO COMMENT ON MY PERSONAL OPINION..... GOOGLE HIM, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND

There were several other questions dealing with Jeanne's association with Mr. Grogan, Jeanne did not answer any more of these kind of questions I have omitted these questions for that reason. She maintains that she has no association with Grogan.