In my last Article I raised some question as to the validity of Justin Smeja's Polygraph test based on what I discovered about the examiner. Some of my conclusions were wrong some were right. Jeanne Hobbs, the examiner, was kind enough to address the questions I had about Justin's test and her background. I had reported that Jeanne was associated with a Mr. John L. Grogan, Jeanne denies this is the case and has some very strong words about Mr. Grogan. She has provided some links in this interview that I invite you to check out regarding Mr. Grogan. I am removing the original article, it will be replaced with a link to this one. If you have questions about Mr. Grogan please check the links Jeanne provides.
What we got wrong:
We contended that Jeanne had dealings with John L. Grogan. Jeanne denies having any association with Mr. Grogan.
Jeanne does not own NorCalPolygraph.com, however she does own NorCal Polygraph the physical business.
What we got right:
We stated that Jeanne was not a member of CAPE ( The California Association Of Polygraph Examiners), she is not a member.
What we are still unsure of:
Jeanne did not say where she recieved her training. Since she says she has no association with John L. Grogan we must assume it was not from his "Polygraph Academy In A Box". or
www.polygraphacademy.com.
Below is the Interview with Jeanne. Her answers are in red. The questions and answers have not been changed in any way.
In the Bigfoot Lunch club article by Guy Edwards you stated
that there were 40 questions asked but only 17 show on the report, why
is that?
EVERY CHART IS FORMULATED TO HAVE 10
QUESTIONS. 4 ARE KNOW TRUTHS, 2 ARE KNOWN LIES AND 4 ARE RELAVENT
QUESTIONS. EACH CHART HAD 4 RELAVANT QUESTIONS. IT TOOK 40 QUESTIONS AND
10 CHARTS TO GET THE 17 QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
Who actually hired you to do the testing, what date did they originally contact you and what date was the test performed?
RO CONTACTED ME AND I DID THE POLYGRAPH ON SATURDAY
What was your reaction when told that this test was being performed
to determine whether or not Justin shot one or more Bigfoot or Bigfoot
type creatures?
DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHAT THE
QUESTIONS MY CLIENT HAS, I JUST GET PAID TO ASK THE QUESTIONS MY CLIENT
WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT. I DON'T CARE OR HAVE ANY PERSONAL
OPIONION ON THIER MATTER.
What was your impression of Justin before the test?
I AM NOT A COUNSELOR, I DON'T DRAW A PERSONAL OPINION....MY INSTRUMENT
MEASURE MY SUBJECTS BODY SENSITIVITIES AND THEN ARE SCORED...PERIOD
Industry standards say that questions should be asked no less than 3 times, was this done with Justin?
YES
Did anyone ask you to make the results "look positive"?
ABOSOLUTELY
NOT...I HAVE NEVER MET THESE PEOPLE IN MY LIFE AND WOULD NEVER
COMPRIMISE MYSELF OR MY PROFESSION TO FALSIFY AN EXAM.
You Stated in The Bigfoot Lunch Club interview that you worked for a
private investigator before becoming a polygraph examiner. Was that PI
Mr. John L Grogan?
NO ABOSOLUTELY NOT! THE
FOLLOWING IS WHAT I HAVE TO REPORT ON JOHN GROGAN! ENOUGH SAID AND I
DON'T FEEL I NEED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE PERSONALLY EXCEPT THE FACT THAT
JOHN GROGAN STOLE MY NAME ALSO, WHEN I OPENED MY BUSINESS JUST AS HE HAS
DONE WITH MANY MANY OTHER POLYGRAPH EXAMINERS ACROSS THE NATION. FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING LINKS AND YOU WILL KNOW EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT JOHN L. GROGAN:
www.polygraphplace.com/articles/issue142.htm
http://podcast.971freefm.com/klsx1/956464.mp3
www.theneonlobster.com/blog/liar-liar-lie-detector
www.ripoffreport.com/.../john...grogan.../john-l-grogan-peoa-polygraph
www.topix.com/forum/nascar/tony.../TP01FEOMA9O7B9SHR
In my research I found a testimonial given by you on a website known as
www.polygraphacademy.com. Your testimonial is as follows:
"If you want to become a trained Polygraph Examiner sooner than all the
students at the distant academies, get the extensive "Polygraph Academy in a Box".
Honestly, I looked into several training programs that were very expensive
and took several months to complete. None had all the coverage I was looking for.
Instead, I went with the PolygraphAcademy.com package-- it was exhaustively
thorough and very detailed. It is the kind of materials that teach you all
that you need to know in order to be a competent examiner, quickly
and completely, without wasting your time in long class sessions where they
spend much of their time on non-essential time-wasting matters.
Is it true that the package commonly referred to as “Polygraph
Academy In A Box’ is not a traditional course and carries no
accreditation from any of the major governing bodies dealing with
polygraph examination?
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT JOHN
GROGAN IS UP TO WITH HIS SCAMS & HE USES PEOPLES NAMES TO POST
TESTIMONIALS WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
Isn’t it true that John L. Grogan operates
www.PolygraphAcademy.com as well as many other websites?
YES HE BUYS DOMAINS THAT RESEMBLE EVERYBODY WHO OPENS A POLYGRAPH BUSINESS
Ro Sahebi stated on his pod cast that you were a member of CAPE
however you are not listed on the CAPE website an a member in good
standing. Why is that?
CAPE CHARGES SEVERAL
HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR TO BE A MEMBER OF THEIR "ASSOCIATION" WHICH
BRINGS NO PROFIT OR GAIN TO A POLYGRAPH EXAMINER. THEIR IS NO "MEMEBER
IN GOOD STANDING" REGULAITON OR CONDITIONAL REASON FOR A POLGRAPH
EXAMINER TO PAY MONEY FOR NOTHING IN RETURN. CAPE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING
FOR A POLYGRAPH EXAMINER EXCEPT TAKE THEIR MONEY. THEIR ASSOCIATION
MEANS NOTHING TO US.
Ro also mentioned that you were a member of PEOA. My research shows that the PEOA was organized by John L. Grogan, is this true?
Jeanne did not answer this question
Have you had any other verifiable polygraph training?
I AM NO LONGER AN MEMBER OF ANY ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THEY DO NOTHING BUT
TAKE MONEY FROM MEMEBERS. THEIR ARE NO BENEFITS FOR BEING A MEMEBER
OFTHEIR ASSOCIATION. YES JOHN L. GROGAN DOES RUN PEOA AND JUST STEALS
MONEY FROM HIS MEMBERS AND IF YOU ARE AN ASSOCIATED MEMEBER YOU HAVE TO
PAY JOHN GROGAN $95.00 FOR EVERY POLYGRAPH YOU PERFORM AND PAY IT TO HIM
DIRECTLY. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JOHN L. GROGAN. AGAIN PLEASE READ
THE LINKS I HAVE ATTACHED. AND AGAIN CAPE IS NOTHING BUT ANOTHER
ASSOCIATION THAT JUST TAKE MONEY FROM MEMEBERS AND DOES NOTHING FOR
THEM. I AM INDEPENDANT AND DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR RUNNING A SUCCESSFUL
BUSINESS. .
Since CAPE requires you to have gone to an APA (American Polygraph Association) acredited school, you can not be a member of CAPE, is this true?
CAPE
IS NOTING AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY REQUIRE FOR MEMEBERSHIP EXCEPT
THAT THEY CHARGE A LOT OF MONEY TO BE A MEMEBER AND REQUIRE NOTHING
EXCEPT MONEY TO JOIN
Do you own or work for NorCal Polygraph?
YES I OWN NORCAL POLYGRAPH
Isn’t it true that NorCal Polygraph is one of Mr. John L. Grogan’s companies?
ABSOLUTELY
NOT...HE STOLE MY DOMAIN AND THAT WHAT HE DOES WITH ALL POLYGRAPH
EXAMINERS ACROSS THE NATION... AGAIN READ THE LINKS!
According to the BBB, Mr. Grogan’s company Gold Star Investigations received an “F” rating. In that report it also lists www.polygraphacademy.com, can you explain this?
READ THE LINKS I SENT
Also according to the BBB, Companies offering Private Investigator
or Private Patrol services are required to be licensed with the Bureau
of Security and Investigative Services of the California Department of
Consumer Affairs. As of our last verification on October 18, 2007, this
company's Bureau of Security and Investigative Services (BSIS) license
and firearm permit license were revoked by the Department of Consumer
Affairs (DCA) in 2003 due to regulatory actions.
Is the above statement from the BBB true? If True how do you explain this.
CONTACT THE BUREAU, THIS ISN'T MY COMPANY
Isn’t it true that Mr. Grogan
never completed any polygraph examiner course at any accredited school,
instead only receiving an “honorary” degree?
I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JOHN GROGAN AND REFUSE TO COMMENT ON MY PERSONAL OPINION..... GOOGLE HIM, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND
There were several other questions dealing with Jeanne's association with Mr. Grogan, Jeanne did not answer any more of these kind of questions I have omitted these questions for that reason. She maintains that she has no association with Grogan.
